Greg's black to trans black: 14.7" CS, 27.2mm seatpost, tapered 34/44 headtube, Supertherm stays
John's trails 20": 21.6 TT, 14.2" CS, 11.7 BB height
The captured nut seat clamp looks better, functions better and welds easier so I will try to use them on all the Stout frames from now on.
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